another response to ignorance on pat gray's blog ksev

hey there “Unapologetic patriot”! could you be any cheesier? c’mon people. seriously, though. Oil prices will stay relatively high even if the US announces “we’re drillin’ now!! ho rah!” you’ll see. they’ve been showing some weakness from slightly declining domestic demand, but worldwide demand shows little weakness, and that will keep oil above the 110 mark. i personally think that the new floor is 120 dollars or so. all this being said, oil prices adjusted for inflation are still above the 1979 oil crisis peak. that peak was about $100 in 2008 dollars. so, you see, the market IS dictating consumers’ response to current facts. people are buying smaller cars, and taking public transport more. i think that this trend will continue, and no amount of new domestic drilling or “shale” will have more than a negligible effect on prices. upward pressure will remain on oil prices until demand decreases significantly, and that will not happen because of increasing usage in india, china, and the middle east. if anything, increased domestic drilling could possibly stabilize oil prices at current levels, which will continue to cause consumers to make different choices. HOORAY!!!!!!!!! like it or not, little D, lando, patsy and your ilk-the world is transforming itself. awwww…are you guys upset? i know that you see it coming-the wave of investment in public transportation, the electric vehicles and plugin hybrids on the way, gas at 4 or 5 dollars in the medium-term future, more emphasis on renewable energy. is it just your ignorance which drives you towards these conclusions? or is it to much hannatization and glenn beckkkkkianisms? why are you so against getting out of that suburban? why does your wacko anti-progress brigade insist that low gas prices are your god-given right? the size of your vehicle seems to be inversely proportional to the size of your package. this must be your problem. girls will still like you, even if you dont have four wheel drive to navigate this extreme environment. There ARE limits on consumption of natural and unnatural resources. you are seeing it happen in front of your face.

a response to patsy gray 740am blog

“I agree completely to just let the market adjust itself instead of dictating and controlling it. Overall that is the best way to go. As I understand new technology, which is needed for shale oil extraction, is always expensive but the more it’s developed, the cheaper it becomes. Again, let the market adjust to technology needed to drill in shale country.” big D says

I do not think that drilling will ease our need for foreign oil in the short-to-medium term. This is clear from my posts and is reflected from a thorough reading of information on the ability of domestic oil sources to produce the 15 million barrels a day which would be needed to overcome the gap in supply. I furthermore think that even if you make available every oil lease there is, producers could not and would not utilize all available existing wells, nor explore everywhere possible at the same time. This means, in effect, that, like Juliane says, production takes time, and it’s ability to increase takes resources which are scarce. Granted, if we put ALL available muscle into this domestic drilling project, what energy will we have left to do the admittedly necessary work of shifting to alternative forms of energy, with full knowledge that we cannot fully rid ourselves of the need for petroleum. The question is, what should our priorities be in this situation? I think that we should, while letting the market do its work on adjusting demand for oil products used in transportation,(which it is already doing), we should put the majority of our skills to work on changing the way that people get around and conserving our current streams of energy supply. Conservation will be key, and the market is already providing outlets like GM’s new Volt, the plugin hybrids to be available in 09. I think also, as my earlier posts alluded to, that mass transit can and should be a large part of the equation. This, i think, is where the federal government could really help our cities and states by providing money for expanding the infrastructure needed to funnel them around. The interstate system expansion and improvements needed are a start, as would providing grants for cities with good plans to improve their mass transit systems. providing tax breaks to consumers who choose to buy a plugin or electric cars would be another, as this would gradually shift our oil dependency away from personal transport and squeeze it enough to level off fuel prices for those of us who must use a vehicle in our daily work. aside-i love classic cars and have a 50 model chevy, along with an old benz which uses biodiesel, but i realize that cars must change, and if you have a classic-you’d better keep it. they’ll never be like they were before again.

So, as you can see, i think the focus on drilling is misplaced, foolish and misguided. If we do some of these things that i mentioned, i think it will have a positive outcome in the context of the domestic economy, the environmental outlook and our thirst for foreign oil, which we all agree needs to come back into balance. the unlimited freedom to consume unwisely has its physical limits. this is what we are finding out, through the price of oil and other commodities. The market is telling us something. yes, darren, i too “I agree completely to just let the market adjust itself instead of dictating and controlling it. Overall that is the best way to go”(big D quote) i also think that we should listen to what it is trying to tell us.

yall still do not seem to understand that the possible daily rate of extraction is what matters, not “proven reserves”. The production of oil from any given source follows a bell curve, with production ramping up slowly in the beginning, peaking out for a usually predetermined amount of time, and then waning. Just because you have 1.5 trillion in reserves does not mean you can do a linear math equation and figure a constant extraction rate. OK, so lets make a few specific points here, since some of yall are stuck on grammar but cannot spell for shit.

1. Oil shale production’s DAILY EXTRACTION RATES can not meet daily oil needs here in the US. research it, and you shall find. this is not to say that they could not supplement our needs(marginally), but at what cost to the environment and long-term objectives to diversify energy supplies? max daily extraction +-2 million Barrels per day

2. Offshore oil production’s daily rates of extraction could be ramped up, but not to the level you expect. to go through this and prove here would be ridiculous, so i encourage all yall to research it IN_DEPTH on your own. max production 1.5 million barrels per day(MBPD)

3. Anwr(800,000MBPD) at its peak production rate, and other on-land production could add another 2 MBPD to the total.

the bakken formation now provides 100,000 barrels per day.
we use 21 MILLION barrels per day
the bakken formation is not capable of producing more than 300,000 barrels per day (according to OIL companies and the BUsh Admin)
4. that amounts to 0.7% of daily oil needs here in the US.
4. this production (all together-anwr, bakken, onshore and offshore domestic supplies) MAX 5-7 MBPD!! could not come online and be operating at peak levels for at least 5 to ten years.

5. this would bring our domestic production to a whopping 10 million barrels per day!!, and that is not considering a production decrease in existing wells, nor increasing worldwide demand for Arab oil (and the resulting decrease in our supply), or any major disruption in the flow of 85 MILLION barrels per day which supply our world.

6. so dana patricia, eddie handleup, and pat graytick, yall still suck and you are deluding yourselves.

7. have a great day, driving home, in all that traffic, stuck in believing that its all the democrats fault that you drive a suburban BY YOURSELF to and from work in between downtown and sugarland. dipshit.

2. waaaahhhh!!! the democrats!!!!!! waaahhhhhh!!!! environmentalists!!!!! waaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh!!speculators!!!! waaaaaaaaahhhhhh!!!!! high oil prices!!!!!!! waahahhhh!! the truth!!!!!!!

3. you guys are way to witty for me. i mean, i’m so stimulated by your comments, i have to drink a cup of coffee, let the brilliance sink in, ya know?

4. how bout this………short-to-medium-term?
1.we continue on with domestic oil production,
2.encourage conservation of supplies,
3.give massive market and tax incentives to development of alternative fuels.
4.establish tax breaks for car companies which improve fuel efficiency.
5. massively increase federal funding of mass transit sytem development in major cities and provide for the quadrupling in capacity of our rail networks (freight and passenger)-which, by the way, the federal goverment spent only 10 billion dollars on in eight years!!!! thats TEN BILLION over an eight year period!!!!!! we spend that amount in ONE MONTH in Iraq operations!!!!! the short-sightedness is baffling, boggling, bemoaning, and bewildering

so there’s something. but listen, these problems(energy supply, education, health care, the environment, the economy, terrorism{and its sources}) are all part of the same equation! If we start to put superior solutions in place, the US can remain in place as a world leader(the world is no longer unipolar, people), and contribute to the progress of humanity.

ps-dont go cursing speculators, the dems, libs, al gore, et cetera while in your SUV on I10 heading into town in the morning zipping along at 5 miles an hour with your brakelights flashing more often than not. BUY A HYBRID, GET A PLUGIN(when they”re available next year), TAKE METRO, DEMAND BETTER PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION-AND USE IT!!, DONT DRIVE AN ARMORED HUMVEE, or shut up.people, when are ya gonna learn??? extra drilling isnt gonna save ya this time!!! and i laugh, and scoff, and ride my bike and take metro. awwwwwwwww, guys, im so sad for yall.

“We potentionally have more oil tha the entire world’s proven oil”
signed,
Big Dar

1. how do we “potentially” have more than something that is proven? whoa, i have got to take a course from that logic professor ya’ll two guys have. he’s fantasticular!

2. waaaahhhh!!! the democrats!!!!!! waaahhhhhh!!!! environmentalists!!!!! waaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh!!speculators!!!! waaaaaaaaahhhhhh!!!!! high oil prices!!!!!!! waahahhhh!! the truth!!!!!!!

3. you guys are way to witty for me. i mean, i’m so stimulated by your comments, i have to drink a cup of coffee, let the brilliance sink in, ya know?

4. how bout this………short-to-medium-term?
1.we continue on with domestic oil production,
2.encourage conservation of supplies,
3.give massive market and tax incentives to development of alternative fuels.
4.establish tax breaks for car companies which improve fuel efficiency.
5. massively increase federal funding of mass transit sytem development in major cities and provide for the quadrupling in capacity of our rail networks (freight and passenger)-which, by the way, the federal goverment spent only 10 billion dollars on in eight years!!!! thats TEN BILLION over an eight year period!!!!!! we spend that amount in ONE MONTH in Iraq operations!!!!! the short-sightedness is baffling, boggling, bemoaning, and bewildering

so there’s something. but listen, these problems(energy supply, education, health care, the environment, the economy, terrorism{and its sources}) are all part of the same equation! If we start to put superior solutions in place, the US can remain in place as a world leader(the world is no longer unipolar, people), and contribute to the progress of humanity.

ps-dont go cursing speculators, the dems, libs, al gore, et cetera while in your SUV on I10 heading into town in the morning zipping along at 5 miles an hour with your brakelights flashing more often than not. BUY A HYBRID, GET A PLUGIN(when they”re available next year), TAKE METRO, DEMAND BETTER PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION-AND USE IT!!, DONT DRIVE AN ARMORED HUMVEE, or shut up.

patsy grayskull, denise patricio, edddddd hindi, and little d, candleface kerry, all of you are uninformed, fraudulent, petulant, patrician butt monkeys. your order is falling down in your faces and you know it and can not stand it. its biting you in the face every time you wake up at night, in your dreams, and now, its in your eyes when you fill up, and when you take that awful commute that you sooo look forward to every morning.

have a grrrreeaat day!

zack prozak having some phun